Presentation of Bro Jerry Thomas: Divinity of Jesus and Messengerhood of Muhammad (Part 3 0f 3)

On May 10, 2008, in Hyderabad, one of the largest ever Christian Muslim debate was held. Bro. Jerry was the Christian speaker and Bro. Imran the Muslim speaker. The topic of debate was- Divinity of Jesus and Messengerhood of Muhammad: Separating Falsehood from Truth. Following is the transcript of the presentation by Bro. Jerry Thomas (Part 3 of 3).


So far we have seen how the prophets of Yehovah and their message establishes that Jesus is God. And how Muhammad sahab contradicted the earlier prophets on each of those points.  Now, let us look specifically at how the Islamic concept of revelation itself contradicts the Biblical revelation and thus focus on the messenger-hood of Muhammad saab. In Deut 13:1-14 the Holy Bible commands me to investigate and verify any claim of messengerhood. If anyone claims to be messenger, I am commanded to investigate, then only to reject or accept the claim. Under the authority of the Bible, right now, I start investigating.   Point 1: Who is the last Prophet? LORD Jesus or Muhammad sahab? Jesus according to the earlier prophets. Muhammad sahab according to the Quran.   According to Daniel 9: 24-26, Messiah is the seal of the prophets.  In Mark 12:1-8 Jesus says that he is the last of all the prophets.  In John 6:27 we see that the seal of the Father is on him. Any other prophet after Lord Jesus is sent by Lord Jesus to preach his Gospel.  In Matthew 23: 34 Jesus said: Therefore, I send your prophets. Who sends prophets? God or man? If God, Jesus is God.  According to Surah 33:40 Muhammad sahab is the last or seal of all Allah’s prophets. But the Bible rejects this. Hence Muhammad sahab cannot be send by the same God who sent the earlier prophets.   Point 2: Is Muhammad sahab the last messenger in the Quran? In Surah 27:82 we read Allah shall send a beast to speak to mankind in the last day.  Ibn Kathir in his Tafisr which I have got it today says that the beast will come with the staff of Musa and the ring of Sulayman. Now, how can Muhammad sahab be the last messenger even in Quran if the beast comes with staff of Musa and the ring of Sulayman. If the beast comes with staff of Sulayman and ring or Musa, then that beast should be the last messenger.  Point 3: Did all prophets get some diabolical inspiration?  Yes according to Surah 25:52-53, where Allah says that ALL his messengers have spoken some words of Satan thinking that it is Allah’s revelation before Allah nullified it.  (Sakshi correction: This is in Surah 22: 52-53).  Bro. Imran knows in Urdu. I have got the English version. If Bro. Imran wants to read he can read it in Sahih Bukhari Vol 1 page 103-105 about the satanic revelation.  I am not saying anything of my own. I am quoting the Islamic resources. Further, there are other books from Islamic resources. If you want to cross-check it, you must cross-check it before you contradict it.  (Sakshi comment: The point that Muhammad sahab received satanic revelation according to authentic and authoritative Islamic resources itself disproves Muhammad sahab being a true prophet of True God. Though totally damaging to the messengerhood of Muhammad, Bro. Imran evaded this question as Jerry had all the Islamic resources kept in the stage itself.)   Now, should all the prophets speak some words of diabolical inspiration? No according to the Holy Bible. In 2 Peter 1:21 says prophets never spoke anything in God’s name except God’s word.  All that they spoke are truth and not mixed with falsehood. If prophets themselves speak words mixed with falsehood, how will we separate falsehood from Truth? In John 7:16 and John 12:49 Jesus says ALL His words are from God.  Therefore, Allah who sent Muhammad sahab is not the same God who sent the previous prophets.  Point 4: Will magic work on true believers?  No. True believers should defeat magic thereby showing that they do not belong to the diabolical Kingdom.  In Numbers 23:23, we read that sorcery and divination will not work against Yehovah’s servants.  In (Exodus 7-12) Prophet Moses defeated magicians, which Qur’an also accepts in (Surah 7:109-126, 10:79-82, 20: 56-73).  In Mark 1: 12-28 and in Luke 4: 1-13 LORD Jesus won over the Satan and cast out demons.  Even Qur’an says in Surah 17:65, 38:83, 15: 39-42, that Satan has no authority on God’s true servants.  Since Qur’an agrees with this criteria, Bro. Imran can explain to me why according to BS Vol 7:658, 660, 661, Vol 9: 111, Vol 4: 490, Vol 8: 89, 400 and Tabari Vol 6, Pg 76, Vol 9:167, Muhammad sahab was under the sorcery spell.  Bro. Imran Please refute all the references I quoted with evidence, if you can. (Sakshi Comment: Bro. Imran accepted that Muhammad was under the magic spell. He tried to deviate it by saying Jesus was tempted. Note in this very passage Jerry had already said Jesus won over the Satan. Jerry further explained in Question and Answer session that temptations of Jesus was from outside. Since Jesus had the pure and holy nature of God, Jesus won over the temptations. Honest Muslims must now think whether Muhammad sahab can ever be considered as a true servant, leave alone being a prophet.) But now let us see a few claims of Muhammad sahab and verify it.  Claim 1: Prophet Abraham prayed for him (Surah 2:  127-129)  Claim 2: Prophet Moses prophesized about him (Surah 7:157-158) and  Claim 3: LORD Jesus has prophesied for him (Surah 61:6).  Let us try to verify these claims. Point 5: Surah 2:127-129: Prophet Abraham Prayed. But for whom? Usually Dawah preachers use Genesis 17:18 to say that Prophet Abraham prayed for Ishmael. And that prayer has been answered through Muhammad sahab. Let us look at the prayer of Abraham and see how God answered it.  In Genesis 17: 18 Prophet Abraham prayed for his family.In Genesis 17: 19 God very clearly told that His covenant will be established only the descendants of Isaac whom Sarah bears.In Genesis 17:20 God says Ishmael’s blessing is twelve princes which God fulfilled in Genesis 25:12-15. Ishmael’s descendents settled in East side of Egypt comes nowhere near to Mecca .  For us to have no doubts, In Genesis 17:21, God again clearly says his covenant will be established only through descendants of Isaac.  Point 6: In Surah 7:157-158 Prophet Moses Prophesied. But about whom? "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him". Deuteronomy 18.18  Based on Deuteronomy 18.18 Dawwah preachers claim: The prophet was to be from among their "brethren" (i.e. Israelites), which would be referring to the Ishmaelite is fulfilled in Muahmmad sahab. Muhammad sahab spoke the words of God (i.e. The Qur’an).  But, this is true of all the Biblical prophets. Prophet Jeremiah in chapter 1:9, God said "Behold I have put my words in your mouth". Very true for Jesus. Christ spoke the words of God alone John 8:28.     Here are the similarities between Jesus and Moses:  ·         Christ, like Moses, is the mediator of God’s covenant. (Cf. Exodus 24:4-8; Mark 14:24; 1 Cor. 11:23-25)  

  • Christ states that Moses wrote about him. (Cf. John 5:46)


  • On both their births, killing of infants were carried out. (Cf. Ex. 1:15-16, 22; Mt. 2:13)


  • Both were rescued by divine intervention. (Cf. Ex. 2:2-10; Mt. 2:13)


  • Christ being the Son of God knew God the Father "face to face"- as did Moses Mt. 11:27. In Sahih Bukhari Vol 6. Num 378, Ayesha says whoever says Muhammad saw his lord is a liar.


  • Christ, like Moses, shone with glorious light at the Mount of Transfiguration. (Cf. Ex. 34:29; Mt. 17:2)


  • Christ performed greater miracles than Moses. An example would be raising the dead.


  • Christ, like Moses, intercedes on behalf of men. (Cf. Exodus 32:30-32; 1 Tim. 2:5)


  • Christ and Moses liberated their people from bondage; one from slavery, the other from sin.


  • Christ, like Moses, is an Israelite from the tribe of Judah. (Cf. Num. 26:59; Luke 3:22-38)

  Point 7: In Surah 61:6: Did Jesus Prophesy about Muhammad sahab: Usually Muslims quote John 14:15-17 14:25, 26. 15:26 and 16:7 where Jesus promised about a comforter. I have already shown in the presentation that it cannot be Muhammad sahab.  However, there is anther argument the Islamic scholars bring- that word referred here is Perikletos and not parakletos.  However, all of the earlier Greek manuscripts only use only the word parakletos. So that the argument does not work here.  In the light of all these, we must ask: Point 8: Are there any witness for Muhammad sahab’s revelation? When God gave the revelation to Prophet Moses, many witnesses were there Exodus 19:16-20. When Father testified about his Son in Mark 3: 17, Matthew 17:2-5, there were many witness. (Sakshi Comment: It should be Matthew 3:17 and not Mark 3:17).  How many witnesses were there when Muhammad sahab received the revelation? Just give me two witnesses because that is what the Bible asks in Deuteronomy 17: 6 and 19:15. Bro. Imran may say Quran is the final evidence for Muhammad sahab’s revelation? Is it? In Surah 2:23 and Surah 17:88 it says Qur’an is the miracle of miracles.  The Holy Bible has already rejected eloquence as a criterion in 1 Corinthians 2:1-5. Now even if I take it for arguments sake,  Kalidasa, the greatest Sanskrit poet was illiterate. But due to blessing of Hindu goddess Kali, he wrote not one but two epic poems Kumarasambhava and Raghuvamsha and many lyrics. And that too not in his mother tongue but in Sanskrit, a language foreign to him. At least to Muhammad sahab Arabic was the mother tongue.  In the light of all these things, we may ask: Is Jesus God? Yes according to the Bible, Yes according to the Biblical Prophets? Is Muhammad sahab a prophet? No according to the Bible, no according to the earlier prophets. Only Yes according to the Quran which does not have a witness. Thank you. God bless you.

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