Notes from Ali Sina's Book: Understanding Muhammad

Understanding Muhammad Doubts Cleared:

If you want to know why Dr. Zakir Naik runs away from debating with Ali Sina, you only need to read Sina’s latest book Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography. Notes from Sakshi Research Team.



Ali Sina, one of the foremost and outspoken critics of Islam has a written a scholarly and insightful book on the founder of Islam- Muhammad. For those who are uninitiated: Ali Sina was born in Iran. Some of his relatives were Ayatollahs. He, now an ex-Muslim and an atheist, is the founder of www.faithfreedom.org. He is now one of the most popular atheist critics of Islam.

He, like our Bro. Sam Shamoun, has invited Dr. Zakir Naik to debate with him. Those of us who have read Bro. Sam Shamoun know why Dr. Zakir will never be able to debate with Bro. Shamoun. Dr. Zakir will loose his ‘reputation’ forever.  

If you want to know why Dr. Zakir runs away from debating with Ali Sina, you only need to read his latest book Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography. (This despite the fact that Ali Sina has offered $50,000 to anyone who can disprove Sina's charge that Islam's prophet was "a narcissist, a misogynist, a rapist, a pedophile, a lecher, a torturer, a mass murderer, a cult leader, an assassin, a terrorist, a mad man and a looter." All these, as everyone would agree, are very serious charges which a Dawwah preacher like Dr. Zakir should have debated and proved Sina wrong, if it is wrong.)  

Ali Sina’s case against Muhammad is strong even if we reject many of his other interpretations.  This book is divided into seven chapters with each chapter examining some facets of Muhammad’s life and teaching. One of the best chapters is the first chapter itself. So we briefly present Sina’s argument from the first chapter – Who was Muhammad?  

Muhammad’s Message:  

One of the main propositions of the book is that Muhammad and Allah are the same and everything else was a result of a sick body and mind. The book begins with Muhammad’s childhood. Muhammad, Sina notes, was given away to a Bedouin woman. Sina observes that this would have would have left a deep psychological impact on Muhammad. But things changed after he married a wealthy woman, Khadijah. After a few years Muhammad received ‘revelation’. We quote Ali Sina here: “After his encounter with the ghostly figure, identified by his wife as Gabriel, Muhammad was convinced of his prophetic rank. This suited him well and fulfilled his desire for grandiosity. He began preaching his message. What was his message? The message was that he had become a messenger and people had to believe in him.” Sina argues that monotheism was not the main message of Islam initially. Sina continues that Islam’s main message was and is that Muhammad is a messenger and people must obey him.   

Sina cites Ibn Said (Tabaqat Volume 1, page 191) “One day the prophet was in a gathering around the Ka’ba and was reading to them the sura an-Najm (Sura 53). When he came to the verses 19-20 that read ‘Have you then considered the Lat and the Uzza and Manat, the third, the last? Satan placed the following two verses in the mouth of the Prophet ‘They are pretty and there is hope in their intercession”. Sina makes a poignant observation here: “After a while, Muhammad realized that by acknowledging the daughters of Allah as deities he had undermined his own position as the sole intermediary between Allah and people, making his new religion indistinguishable from pagan beliefs and therefore redundant.”

Later when a few followers understoody the trickery of Muhammad and left Islam, Muhammad justified this by accusing that all prophets before him too have received Satanic revelation (Q 22:52-53). What an insult to the previous prophets. 

In fact, when we read Ali Sina’s second chapter, this concept – Islam’s main message is that Muhammad is the messenger (and not monotheism) is further explained.

Sina writes: “Allah was for Muhammad a convenient tool by which to manipulate people. Through him, he could wield unlimited authority over his followers”. Or in other words, according to Ali Sina Allah and Muhammad is the same person.  

There could be a few objections when one proposes this theory. (1) Why would Muhammad suffer to propagate a lie? (b) How would one explain passages where Allah scolds Muhammad for example while mistreating a blind man? (c) How would one explain camels reeling and kneeling down under the pressure if Muhammad received revelation while riding a camel (d) Of course a Muslim can ask- why would Muhammad marry so many widows if he was not merciful? Interestingly Ali Sina produces evidences to answer such and more doubts that one may have.  

Did Muhammad Suffer to Spread Islam?  

According to Ali Sina, there is no evidence of persecution against Muhammad except Muhammad’s own words such as Quran 8:30.  

Ali Sina further argues that Muhammad enticed the followers to leave Mecca with goodly homes and rewards hereafter (Quran 16:41). When someone tried to defect he threatened them (Quran 4:89).  If the followers were persecuted, they themselves would have left Mecca. Why should one entice them to leave and threaten them if they defect?

According to Ali Sina this is how every cultic leader, like Jim Jones, tried to separate their followers from their respective families and relatives to have more control over them.  After enticing with goodly homes to leave Mecca, Muhammad had to start raids to fulfill the promise of giving goodly homes to followers. Allah did not give it. 

Was Muhammad Scolded by Allah?  

Ali Sina makes an interesting observation regarding Allah’s scolding of Muhammad for mistreating a blind man. One day, Muhammad was speaking to the chiefs in Mecca and a beggar approached him. Muhammad disregarded the beggar and spoke rudely with him. Meccan chiefs saw that and doubted whether any prophet can ill-treat others like this and Muhammad was exposed. When Muhammad understood that he was exposed, he came with a revelation of Allah’s scolding but was followed by a curse to the chiefs for rejecting Muhammad.  

In fact, as Ali Sina well-documents in his book why did the same Allah divinely sanction and never scolded when Muhammad did rape, raid and murder of many?  Muslims might object and say Muhammad never conducted a raid or war without provocation. Ali Sina’s observation is further illuminating here also. Ali Sina cites many examples such as the invasion of Banu Nadir where Muhammad invented stories to create an offense from the enemy.

For example, the “provocation” for attacking Banu Nadir was a ‘revelation’ that Muhammad received. Muhammad supposedly in his vision saw Jews dropping a rock from atop of a wall. None of Muhammad’s companion saw a Jew climbing a wall and not even Muhammad saw it. Based on one “revelation” of Muhammad which Islamic preachers consider as the offense of Jews, Muhammad and his group attacked Jews.   

Camels Reeling Under the Power of Revelation 

Ali Sina points out that domestic animals can sense epilepsy before the seizure and much of the ‘revelations’ of Muhammad had all the symptoms of epilepsy.  

Why did Muhammad Marry Widows? 

Ali Sina makes a poignant observation here- it was Muhammad who made many of them widows in the first place, for example Juwairiya. Further many of them did not have options except to marry him- where else will they be allowed to live if they refuse to marry Muhammad?  Further, Ali Sina points out that all of the widows, except Sauda who was in her thirties, were below 20 years of age. In fact by quoting Tabari, Ali Sina points out that Muhammad did not marry woman who had children or were not young and beautiful.  

This can hardly be called as charity.  

All these charges and many more, as anyone would agree, is a serious challenge to Islam. What we have summarized here is the tip of an iceberg. In fact, these notes may not at all do justice to Ali Sina’s work.  Further, Ali Sina who raises these charges is a world famous critic of Islam. Why is Dr. Zakir Naik afraid to debate with Ali Sina? Why is he running away from a debate? As mentioned initially read this book and you will know the answer.

 

Further Readings:

 

1. Jerusalem Post Interview with Ali Sina

2. http://www.faithfreedom.org/book.htm

 

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  1. Muhammad the true prophet of moon god allah.

    Muhammad true role models of phidophile

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  2. Hello Jerry,

    I know you have good tac tics to prove your religion as right but remember one thing, even if the whole world were to meet & assume the Dictatorship it cannot stop the spreading of Islam-The True Religion. I dont know why you always want to be a part of controversial topics thats a harm for the entire world. If you claim that Chrisitianity or Christians stand for Peace, then how will you achieve it when you try to defame the 2nd Largest Religion on the face of the earth (Inshallah, which will be the # 1 religion very soon). Your missionaries allure innocent masses with the help of monetary, educational & hospitality benefits. But Islam is very different. Here, people come into the fold of Islam by denouncing the world pleasures (Ex: Michael Jackson, Yusuf Estes, Abu Amina Bilal Philips, Cat Stevens, Dawud Wharnsby). So please judge & justify your actions till its too late.

    May Allah’s Mercy Be On His Creatures. Ameen

  3. IN RESPONSE TO: Samiuddin Mohammad Samee

    We know your idols br. imran, dr. zakir naik and late ahmed dedat have good tac tics to prove Mohammedan cult of kaaba your religion as right and have been in the business for long.

    But remember one thing even if the whole world were to meet & assume the Dictatorship of Islam, islamic republic and islamic leaders it cannot stop the spreading of The gospel of Lord Jesus Christ and -The True allah Jehovah

    I don’t know why your Mohammedans dawah preachers always want to be a part of deceitful topics that’s harm for the entire world For the day of judgment is near. If you claim that islam or muslims stand for Peace, then how will you achieve it when you try to defame The true allah The Savior The lord Jesus Christ.

    As believer Christians we are not in the race of No 1 or No 2 religion. It only you wahahbis who are insecured about Mohammedan cult of kaaba turning towards the true allah Jehovah. Hence your Islamic dictatorship doesn’t allow other religion to be preached in Islamic countries eg Saudi Arabia.

    Your Saudi sponsored islamic missionaries allure innocent masses with the help of monetary, hospitality benefits, job in gulf, marriage etc. vivid eg. is in Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, African countries, south American countries etc.

    one quick question I want to ask you Mohammedans you call your self no 2 then how many educational institutes, hospitals etc have you opened from the zakat money. I am waiting to see zakir naiks contribution from the profit made by irf in partnership with harmony media.

    But Christianity is very different. Here, people come in to love of Lord Jesus by denouncing the world pleasures as well as Islamic heavenly pleasures. Most of them risk their job, family and their lives for love of Jesus.

    Former Muslims who left islam and became christians. Even though islam declares deathpenalty for apostacy these brave men and women left the religion of intolerance and hatred they leave islam even though they know the penalty.

    Hussain Andaryas http://www.hesavedme.com http://www.shahadat.net

    Walid Shoebat http://www.shoebat.com

    Zak Gariba http://www.gariba.org

    Dr. Abraham Sarker http://www.gospelformuslims.com http://www.understandmymuslimpeople.com

    Abdul Hakeem http://www.namindia.org

    Paul Ciniraj Mohamed http://www.salemvoice.com

    Mohammed Altaf http://www.abrahamic-faith.com

    Abdoul Rahim http://www.buildingbridgestothetruth.com

    Rev. Majed El Shafie http://www.onefreeworldinternational.org

    Jeremiah Fard Muhammad http://www.wicctv.org

    Mohammad Ghazoli http://www.ghazoli.com

    Dr. Ergun Mehmet Caner http://www.erguncaner.com

    Salah http://www.SalahJam.com

    Nurudeen I. Adeojo http://www.wohcc.org

    David Naseer http://www.davidnasser.com

    Dr. Nasir K. Siddiki http://www.wisdom-ministries.com

    Ahmed Abaza http://www.hofhineministry.com

    Mark Gabriel http://www.markagabriel.org

    Ajeenah El-Amin http://www.unitedfaithnetwork.org

    Nonie Darwish http://www.noniedarwish.com

    Reverend Donald Fareed http://www.persianministries.org

    Emir Caner http://www.emircaner.com

    WL Cati http://www.zennahministries.org http://wlcati.com

    Pastor Hormoz Shariat http://www.iam-online.net

    Simin http://www.isa-masih.com

    One Anonymous muslim http://www.journeytojesus.com

    Betsy Tan http://www.visionbooks.net

    Nabeel Qureshi http://acts17apologetics.blogspot.com http://www.Acts17.net

    Jerry Rassamni http://www.fromjihadtojesus.com

    Faisal Malik (www.covenantoflife.org)

    Mosab Hassan Yousef Hamas Leader’s Son Gives His Life to Jesus http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402483,00.html

    So please judge & justify your dawah preachers actions till its too late.

    May the son the Lord Jesus Christ The father the true allah Jehovah and the Holy Spirit Bless all His creatures . Ameen

    Dear brother Samiuddin Mohammad Samee dont be arrogant I am praying so some day you will accept Lord Jesus as your personal saviour

  4. Dear Fabian,

    We know the hocus pocus of all the absurd and incoherent doctrines of Christianity, which the man Jesus never preached direct from his mouth.

    Remember that Christianity is dying in Europe for the simple reason that even Christians find the trinity and various doctrines ridiculous.

    Voltaire said it sooo well: “”Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror.”

    “Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.”

    “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world.”

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.

    As you know, the Inquisition is an admirable and wholly Christian invention to make the pope and the monks more powerful and turn a whole kingdom into hypocrites.

    Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men.

    The son of God is the same as the son of man; the son of man is the same as the son of God. God, the father, is the same as Christ, the son; Christ, the son, is the same as God, the father. This language may appear confused to unbelievers, but Christians will readily understand it.

    God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.”

    The man never declared himself in his own words,”I am the Son of God.” Period.

    That, Jesus is not God, is evident from his own words. And people cannot be fooled anymore.

    Cheers

  5. “But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book, each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him. – Voltaire, Letter to Frederick II of Prussia, December 1740

    Mohamadians Wahhabi muslims make the same mistake as other mindless talking heads. Voltaire, et. al. men – be they critics or non Christians – will not be seated on the throne of Judgment when Christ returns. There are many scathing opinions of Muhammad’s islam, but mortal opinions don’t codemn Muslims to eternity in hell, your heresy does. Christ said if you do not believe that “IAM”, you die in your sins. Without YHWH’s forgiveness.

    Christians and Jews will NOT be redeeming Muslims from hell, regardless of Sahih hadiths that teach otherwise. Muhammad will have no powers of intercession. Your Imams will be completely impotent. We all will stand all alone, without excuse. Our eternity is fixed the moment we die. No do overs, no intercessor.

    Christianity stands on Christ alone. Islam falls on Muhammad’s heretical teachings (including inserting himself as the Muslim “savior”, and partnering with “allah”). Compare their lives: Christ is sinless and Holy, Muhammad confessed to having to ask forgiveness more than 70X/day. One led a filthy life, filtering suras through his genitals; One led a sinless life, in perfect harmony with YHWH. One can guarantee salvation, the other had no idea what “allah” would do with him (though he is “allah’s” mouthpiece). Muhammad is a corpse, deaf to your greetings; Christ is the Living Lord, Omnipotent and Omniscient.

    This isn’t a game of winners and losers, based on debates. If a Muslim managed to “win” a debate, he still loses his eternal soul. God is not bullied by threats, nor impressed with any human effort. He has provided His Lamb, then calls us to worship Him in spirit and in truth, not through slaughtering unbelievers. He says He sets before us life and death, and we are to choose whom we will serve. Choose, free choice, free Grace, because what good is a follower who’s heart is still lost because he has “reverted” through force?

    We don’t draw close to a Holy God with rituals. The only sacrifice He wants is a broken and contrite spirit. I pray you, and every Muslim, stop majoring on the minors, and seek the forgiveness offered to you through the Atonement on Calvary.

  6. “But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with

    some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he

    boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book,

    each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers

    his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters;

    that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing

    any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not

    extinguished all natural light in him. – Voltaire, Letter to Frederick II of Prussia,

    December 1740

    Mohamadians make the same mistake as other mindless talking heads. Voltaire, etc – be they

    critics or non Christians – will not be seated on the throne of Judgment when Christ

    returns. There are many scathing opinions of Muhammad’s islam, but mortal opinions don’t

    codemn Muslims to eternity in hell, your heresy does. Christ said if you do not believe that

    “IAM”, you die in your sins. Without YHWH’s forgiveness.

    Christians and Jews will NOT be redeeming Muslims from hell, regardless of Sahih hadiths

    that teach otherwise. Muhammad will have no powers of intercession. Your Imams will be

    completely impotent. We all will stand all alone, without excuse. Our eternity is fixed the

    moment we die. No do overs, no intercessor.

    Christianity stands on Christ alone. Islam falls on Muhammad’s heretical teachings

    (including inserting himself as the Muslim “savior”, and partnering with “allah”). Compare

    their lives: Christ is sinless and Holy, Muhammad confessed to having to ask forgiveness

    more than 70X/day. One led a filthy life, filtering suras through his genitals; One led a

    sinless life, in perfect harmony with YHWH. One can guarantee salvation, the other had no

    idea what “allah” would do with him (though he is “allah’s” mouthpiece). Muhammad is a

    corpse, deaf to your greetings; Christ is the Living Lord, Omnipotent and Omniscient.

    This isn’t a game of winners and losers, based on debates. If a Muslim managed to “win” a

    debate, he still loses his eternal soul (any ways Dr. Zakir Naik run away to debate

    Christian Apologists eg Bro Sam Shomoun) . God is not bullied by threats, nor impressed with

    any human effort. He has provided His Lamb, then calls us to worship Him in spirit and in

    truth, not through slaughtering unbelievers. He says He sets before us life and death, and

    we are to choose whom we will serve. Choose, free choice, free Grace, because what good is a

    follower who’s heart is still lost because he has “reverted” through force?

    We don’t draw close to a Holy God with rituals. The only sacrifice He wants is a broken and

    contrite spirit. I pray every Muslim Mohamadians, stop majoring on the minors, and seek the

    forgiveness offered to you through the Atonement on Calvary.

    La ilaha ilahallah, Yeshua kalamullah.

    There is no god safe the only and one true God and Jesus is His Word.

  7. Don’t spread lie Regarding the invitaion of Mr.Ali Sina with Dr. Zakir Naik.

    If you go and see sina site you can read the conditions of Sina. Sina wants the debate on writings not on a public platform and he justify this that Dr. Zakir is an extraoridinary orator so defeating him on a live speech is difficult and not only sometime on a public speak debatte either party may loose something to quote because all are human being so better do debate on writing.

    That is Sina will write his argument and being rebutal Dr. Zakir naik will write his reply and again Mr. Sina will refute and so on.

    I understand that Dr. Zakir must have refused this type of debate because where and when this debate will finish how long period it will take who will read all these writings from begning to end and howmany people totaly get full idea of this debate. I say nobody except Zakir and Sina will get full idea of this. Think whom you people are trying to make fools. Through debate the listner should get some reply from the speaker and that would be convincing.if the debate is a public speaking either party can express the arguements and refute in selected time and reply the listnrs question this way a debate produce result. Ali Sina method of debate will not bring a result at least for six months. do you think any body can continiously observe his method of debate.

  8. Thahsail- granting some logic to your argument, Zakir still have the following question to answer:

    1) Why is Zakir not trying for a format with Ali Zina (say three rounds of write-up with 5000 words each)as Ali Zina is a very popular ex- Muslim who is successful in making many Muslims leave Isalm?

    2) For arguments sake, we accept that Dr. Zakir is not good at writing, why is he not debating with our Bro. Sam Shamoun of Answering Isalm. Bro. Shamoun is ready for a face to face debate and he is now one of the most famous Christian apologist to Isalm. See the challenge here: http://www.sakshitimes.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=246&Itemid=42

    So, do not come up with excuses. Dr. Zakir did a clever and deceptive debate with William Cambell. Bro. Shamoun exposed all the distortions and deceptions that Zakir used.

    Zakir is more concerned about protecting his reputation than defending Isalm. If he is interested in protecting Isalm, let him debate with people who have exposed Isalm maximum- the atheist Ali Sina and the Christian Sam Shamoun.

    • NO MUSLIM can stand one a one-on-one debate with Bro Sam Shamoun and leave with his integrity intact.

      Dr Shabir Ally tried his best, to his credit, but our Dr James White took care of him very comprehensively as well.

      Actually if Deedat had kept his mouth shut, most people won’t even bother about Islam, let alone refute it.

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  11. Is Ali Sina a scholar of Quran or the guy who has been through Islam in and out and understood it or is he a shaykh-ul-Hadith. This guy if he stands for reason must have a head on debate with but rather I find his site rather provocative and hostile towards muslims. He feeds something out of context and those with their own personal grudge of Islam or flock to gulp it without even understanding what he is feeding. A rationally thinking unbiased person will always give chance for a equivocal argument rather than behind the scenes stuff and I believe one of the greatest playwrights – George Bernard Shaw quoting Prohpet Muhammad [Peace be upon Him] – I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capability to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. The world must doubtless attach high value to the predictions of great men like me. I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today. The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Muhammad and his religion. To them Muhammad was Anti-Christ. I have studied him — the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti-Christ he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness. But to proceed, it was in the 19th century that honest thinkers like Carlyle, Goethe and Gibbon perceived intrinsic worth in the religion of Muhammad, and thus there was some change for the better in the European attitude towards Islam. But the Europe of the present century is far advanced. It is beginning to be enamoured of the creed of Muhammad. And Guess what he was a nobel laureate whereas this hate-monger whom this site supports is a fall guy.

  12. Is Ali Sina a scholar of Quran or the guy who has been through Islam in and out and understood it or is he a shaykh-ul-Hadith. This guy if he stands for reason must have a head on debate with but rather I find his site rather provocative and hostile towards muslims. He feeds something out of context and those with their own personal grudge of Islam or flock to gulp it without even understanding what he is feeding. A rationally thinking unbiased person will always give chance for a equivocal argument rather than behind the scenes stuff and I believe one of the greatest playwrights – George Bernard Shaw quoting Prohpet Muhammad [Peace be upon Him] – I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capability to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. The world must doubtless attach high value to the predictions of great men like me. I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today. The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Muhammad and his religion. To them Muhammad was Anti-Christ. I have studied him — the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti-Christ he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness. But to proceed, it was in the 19th century that honest thinkers like Carlyle, Goethe and Gibbon perceived intrinsic worth in the religion of Muhammad, and thus there was some change for the better in the European attitude towards Islam. But the Europe of the present century is far advanced. It is beginning to be enamoured of the creed of Muhammad. And Guess what he was a nobel laureate whereas this hate-monger whom this site supports is a fall guy.

  13. good subject for those who still blind and still beleive that islam is a message from allah

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